Bill Wilson’s page 58 bigbook claim “Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path” is probably the most-repeated lie told in AA.
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Bill Wilson’s page 58 bigbook claim “Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path” is probably the most-repeated lie told in AA.
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@OBStranger The “there are those too, who suffer from grave emotional and
mental disorders” statement, read in every meeting everywhere, refutes your
first assertion diametrically. AA says it IS the place to address emotional
and mental disorders. Assertion two is thereby rendered moot. Mike
OB you put yourself in ‘your place’.
Counting your phorph userids, you have told us hundreds of times that you
have never seen any of what we have described in our vids. I can attribute
that to only three things: denial, cognitive dissonance, or aching for a
game. Mike
If I am defending AA, someone has spoofed my userid. You haven’t defended
AA. You have merely, albeit repetitively, denied the validity of our
criticisms on the basis of never seen any of them in your AA experience.
From where I am, that limits the possibilities to the ones we have already
outlined. Mike
@bLuDcL0T as it was over 3 1/2 years ago since i last attended a meeting. 5
years clean and sober now. If you even hear yourself say in your own head
‘he wasn’t a real alcoholic’, then you’ve probab;y completely lost the
ability to think for yourself, because you’ve fully indoctrinated into the
cult of lies, where people are too affraid to actually speak their minds,
regurgitate the same old bullshit everyones heard a thousand times. Just
for the record – I believe in self empowerment, and trust
@bwoodward0949 The only way I have ever found to stay sober is to refrain
from drinking, something AA mentions only in passing. God or Higher Power
is mentioned well over one hundred times in AA’s basic text, yet abstinence
isn’t discussed at all. The chapter “We Agnostics” (written by the founders
of the 12-step religion) is no more than a primer on bait and switch
religious conversion, as is AA in general. Mike BD
@lcwest1: Of course you could be “fully recovered” by simply not drinking
any longer. Too bad you only seem to want to give AA credit for what you
did yourself (or not did).
Ills of our age: anxiety; resentment; depression; sick eating, drinking,
drugging, money, and sex … not many ways to survive these and live a
happy life, but there is a path called, simply, the Way – what Christ, Lao
Tse and Buddha called it, what all great teachers and all the sacred
traditions of mankind have called it. The best formulation of the Way our
century has produced is the Four Absolutes and the Twelve Steps. Free and
all over the place ~ 12-step recovery programs are KICK ASS.
@kevinfirstnamefinn Glad you like the vids, and thanks for posting. Mike BD
Eighteen years here, and I reject all the steps, so it must mean something
else. Mike BD
If you thoroughly follow clear-cut directions, you will take notice of that
fact that the foremost direction is simply: Don’t drink today. The steps
are outlined as a program to teach you how to follow that most important
direction. The reason so many fail to grasp this simple fact is because
they spend too much time sitting in meetings listening to other people’s
bullshit. I haven’t had a drop of alcohol in eight years, because I
followed the directions to the best of my ability. Peace.
aa is many different things to many different people. The general consensus
is that “our path” has come to mean working all 12 steps with a sponsor. I
have seen, 1st hand, a reasonable # of people vastly improve their lives
and be HAPPY. It does not sound like you are happy. That is not aa’s fault.
Why bash something that helps many people be happy ?
your not truely happy if your bashing AA you probably left to soon!
There is a HUGE difference between not having a drink and being SOBER !!!
It clearly seems that you’ve never understood that … Being sober means
trying to be a better person everyday and trying to act with serenity,
peace, goodness, honesty, will and open-mindedness. “to practice these
principles in all our affairs” which means in all aspects of your life And
to do that you have to work on yourself in all these aspects, CLEARLY,
something you never did for the past 18 years … it’s sad ..
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA Come on … With sobriety comes serenity, and with
serenity comes hapiness and freedom … Why are u always trying to
vindicate yourself? Maybe because you have something to hide or to prove?
Surely because that’s far more easy than work on yourself uh ?! I have no
problem with people achieving sobriety by themselves, it’s great. Maybe the
12 steps haven’t work for you, sorry, but you have to respect the fact that
it has helped millions of people … Peace
There are thousands maybe millions of us who have left AA and HATE it. over
50,000 listens to safer recovery on Blog talk radio all ex stepper stuff
You are brainwashed. There are other ways to stop or moderate AA and NA are
not the only way Smart REcovery is great Moderation M is great Lifering,
WFS, Hams Harm Reduction , reading a good book, just stopping. and WHy are
going to meetings for the rest of your life?
Hey, Monica, always nice to hear from you. Still doing the radio show? Mike
BD
thoroughly followed our path means work all 12 steps dumbass
Really? That isn’t what is says on page 58 of the Book of Wilson Mythology,
as mentioned in the video. Mike BD
They will send AA hit men to your house if you leave.
It doesn’t count if you’re eighteen years old and never drank before..
Nope, I retired at age 55, and now have plenty of time to pursue things I
enjoy, which include having these exchanges with folks like you. I’m not
sure which sentence you are talking about, since I take exception to
virtually everything written in the sacred texts of steppism. Mike BD
Smart recovery is 21st century treatment, where we live today is the 21st
century …AA will never catch up to the power of Smart recovery imo . AA
works for ppl who want it to work , kinda finding God huh ?? Smart is not a
program for a lifetime, its a program that frees you to live your life !!!
Different advocate, same premise. What sentence has you guys so lathered
up? Mike BD
smells like CULT!!!!!!