This is an urgent warning about Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, and other Twelve Step Programs that copy them. This is also a warning about residential treatment programs that utilize The Twelve Steps of AA. And, lastly, I explain why churches should not allow these programs to meet on their property. I look forward to your comments and please refrain from swearing. Thank you. Oh, and don’t forget to visit my blog at: http://orangepapersforumandreligion.blogspot.com/.
Good on you Jim. It’s all the truth. Vince
Thank you for speaking out and spreading the truth. How about AA does a 4th
and 5 th step
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Jim, I just made a long comment and lost it all.
The gist of it is that I can find little (if anything) to disagree with you
on concerning AA. I’m with you as far as Wilson being an adulterer (He was
also a crook).
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was also an adulterer, as were many other
well-known people, including religious (or spiritual?) leaders. So this is
an argument you can expect from AAs. I respect Dr. King for his great
accomplishments in civil rights progress, but he was an adulterer. I’m not
talking about the lies of violence against prostitutes, but some of the
adultery that took place has been well-documented. Also, since we’re
talking about religious leaders, Mahatma Gandhi abused his nieces.
The Dalai Lama is not a religious leader but a government (an evil one) in
exile.
I’m mentioning this because this is the kind of arguments that you can
expect from pro-AAs. Really I don’t consider Wilson any kind of a
religious or spiritual leader at all. He’s a shyster and a crook, similar
to L. Ron Hubbard.
Good luck, Jim, and take care.
Ok, tuning into part 3. I hope in this 3rd half hour video you actually
cite references and credible evidence instead of you just saying your words
are fact……
Ok..so far into this 3rd half hour video and you continue the same rants
you did in the first 2. Get to the points please.
Who has proven that AA doesn’t work? You say it…but WHO proves it?
You were “fooled”…You have said that 100 times in less than an hour and a
half with no descriptions of what fooled you.
You keep saying we are going to learn more on this program…its been going
on an hour and a half and I am still waiting.
Sorry, I can’t really listen to this anymore. Will leave you with this.
AA is a support system that helps…but it is not the end all be all
solution to everyone’s problems. Some people need additional care in a
rehab facility or other treatment. I personally know several people who
have as much as 40 years sobriety that are thankful for AA. There is no
100 percent treatment rate anywhere. I am sorry you had a bad experience
with your AA time…but it does help a lot of people. The thing I get out
of AA is I know people who go through many things I have gone through, and
you can get strength, experience and hope by talking with these people.
The other thing you falsely claim is that AA is a religion that draws
people from the Lord. Not true. You also mention the freedom of religion
thing which we have a right to. That is true. AA talks about higher
powers but does not force any single belief on anyone. My higher power is
God…the whole point is AA encourages you to turn to your higher power for
help…but that is not the only thing that helps. AA does not cause
murders, suicides, etc. like you claim. Sick people…individuals do
that. It is up to each of us to do the next right thing which AA also
encourages. There is no magical solution. AA is an ongoing support
structure and it is especially good for people like me who have not many
family or friends to turn to in my personal life…but I do have AA as a
place to turn to with good friends who only want to help. If anyone
reading this has not seen that at a particular meeting you have gone
to…then find a different meeting with a different group of people…AA is
not a bad thing.
Preacher you make mighty fine sense !
*Hating someone brings on a kind of a “Anti-Matter Effect”.*
There is a difference between “hate” & “dislike”.
I hate no one but I admit that I dislike a lot of things.
Hating always to me seems like belittleing myself.
Where as disliking someone or something for a valid
reason, shows good taste & good sense.
*Hating produces disharmony in one´s live,*
*it´s best to be rid of it entierly.*
Beware of the Orange Papers and the Orange Papers Forum. I was wrong about
both. The Orange Papers are as anti-Christian as AA’s Big Book and the
forum is as bad as AA meetings. The forum has been hijacked by some very
deceitful members. DON’T TRUST THEM!
And although the Orange Papers have a lot of good information about AA, you
should be careful because Orange slips in his New Age eastern religious
beliefs along with the facts. He also deceives readers about Christianity.
So if you just read the FACTS about AA and ignore his OPINIONS about
“religion” you will learn a lot.
Nevertheless, it is very clear to me that Orange’s agenda is to turn people
away from both AA and Christianity while promoting his own religious
beliefs. This is why I am going to write an article and record a video that
exposes this deception. So don’t forget to subscribe to my YouTube channel
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